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Hey, Dr. NerdLove!
You’ve addressed related questions earlier than, however I needed to come back at my downside in additional particular phrases. I’m a 42M virgin. By no means been in a relationship. Numerous causes, however I’d say the primary is as a result of I prioritized different issues once I was youthful and at all times thought there’d be time.
An in depth second, although, could be that I’m very reluctant to aggressively “chase” ladies. I’m under no circumstances proactive relating to romance. Mainly, each girl I’ve ever been interested in had choices, and I simply wasn’t desirous about competing with different males to get their consideration. I even have a tough time giving off “sexual vibes” and breaking the contact barrier with ladies I’m interested in. These passive traits of mine have at all times been an enormous detriment to me, however particularly at this age, the place I really feel most girls count on the person to take the lead.
My query, then: Is it attainable for me to change into extra aggressive in my pursuits, given my persona and lack of expertise? If that’s the case, how can I am going about studying this habits with out basically altering who I’m? Conversely, are there another choices for me to discover a associate exterior of “fixing” these problems with mine, or am I in any other case a misplaced trigger?
Thanks in your recommendation!
Whose Transfer Is It?
I believe you’re asking the unsuitable query, WTI. Particularly since your query is “how do I make this transformation with out truly altering” which is, y’know, not attainable.
The problem is that you simply’re framing this as passivity, moderately than confronting the actual difficulty: you don’t really feel like ladies could be desirous about you and also you’re avoiding the opportunity of rejection due to it. That is the foundation difficulty of a whole lot of strategy anxiousness; 9 occasions out of 10, individuals who take care of strategy anxiousness are in the end coping with the worry that they aren’t “good” sufficient for the ladies they need to date. They’re afraid that there’s simply no “there” there, no cause for ladies to be desirous about persevering with the dialog and even to acknowledge them within the first place. The passivity is a canopy for this anxiousness – it provides a permission construction for doing nothing with out acknowledging the precise underlying worry.
I believe that that is additionally a part of why “you at all times thought there’d be time”; the time that you simply thought you had extra of wasn’t “I’d have extra obtainable spoons” a lot as some extent the place you wouldn’t really feel such as you needed to maintain placing it off.
I imply, it doesn’t precisely take Sherlock Holmes or Sigmund Freud to see this; the feedback about ladies “having choices” and “competing with different males for her consideration” are fairly evident of their obviousness. Why would she be desirous about you if she had different attainable suitors? What would inspire her to maintain partaking with you when different individuals – handsomer, extra charming, extra attention-grabbing, “higher” individuals – exist and will even be in the identical bar as you? The identical goes with not being good at giving off “sexual vibes”; you may’t actually give them off in the event you don’t suppose you may have any intercourse enchantment to begin with.
Right here’s the factor: that is all about avoiding the discomfort of creating your self susceptible and risking rejection by individuals who could be “confirming” that you simply’re not “adequate”. In any case, if a lady in the end made the primary transfer, that will suggest that she is so strongly interested in you that she was motivated to buck socialization and do the heavy lifting for you, so that you don’t have to fret about that worry of her realizing that you simply weren’t price her time. That’s what this all comes right down to: ready for another person to alleviate your fears for you, moderately than confronting them your self. If I had a nickel for each time I handled somebody who expressed a variation of these feedback, I may purchase a actually good mid-life-crisis-mobile – perhaps that Chevy Thriftmaster restomod I’ve dreamed about for years. I do know matte black is sort of a cliché, however with some cherry wooden paneling and chrome finishes to distinction on the inside…
Sorry, acquired distracted for a second there.
The purpose is that you simply see ladies as being the final word arbiters of who will get dates – the gatekeepers of intercourse – and as such, they’re supposedly incentivized to solely take note of “the perfect”.
That is simply one other variation of the entire “20% of males date 80% of the ladies” shit that goes round each few months, and all of it comes right down to this bizarre perception that ladies are weighing every man they meet in opposition to all of the others and solely selecting the “prime” choices. Besides that’s not how individuals truly date. Guys aren’t being measured in opposition to each other, it’s whether or not she likes you or doesn’t such as you. You’re not “competing” in opposition to different males, you’re competing in opposition to an evening at house alone with a glass of wine, No person Requested For This queued up and a romantic interlude with Bob the Battery Operated Boyfriend. And even when she’s seeing different individuals whereas additionally seeing you, it’s nonetheless a query of how she feels about you, particularly, not “how do she feels about you compared to Tim, Dashell and/or Horton.”
(I’d additionally level out that you have choices as nicely, similar to ladies do – whether or not you discover these choices or like them doesn’t change the truth that you have them. And ladies, too, must “compete” for males’s consideration; actually, that notion’s so normalized and mainstream that it’s simple to neglect that simply how a lot content material there may be on the market for ladies that’s all about seize and maintain a man’s consideration and out-compete different ladies…)
So if you wish to study to be extra assertive and to take the initiative, you’re going to must let go of the concept that that is all on account of inherent passivity and as a substitute deal with how you’re feeling about your self. You need to be your first, largest and most vocal supporter, hype man and cheerleader; in the event you don’t imagine in your individual price and your individual worth, no one else goes to do it for you. You need to deal with your being a virgin – older or not – as being a person information level, moderately than one thing shameful or definitional. And never essentially the most related or essential information level both, only one particular person facet of who you might be.
Feeling extra assured in your self and what you carry to the desk cuts by means of the anxiousness as a result of now you don’t really feel like you need to “justify” your curiosity in another person. As an alternative, you’re in a spot the place you can come to each interplay with “okay, I do know you’re engaging, however what about you makes you a superb match for me?” As an alternative of seeing it as “I’ve to compete for her consideration” or “I’ve to show I’m the best choice” – and thus, coming to the interplay from a spot of insecurity – you’re in a position to deal with attending to know the opposite individual, connecting with them and seeing them as a possible associate, moderately than somebody who’s approval you need to not simply search however drag up from unfavourable numbers.
That additionally signifies that you’re going to must be comfy with seeing your self as a sexual being – not simply sexually fascinating however somebody who is sexual. You possibly can’t give “sexual” vibes in the event you really feel such as you’re null or unhorny. The truth that you haven’t had intercourse doesn’t preclude you from having sexuality. Being a virgin or not is only a matter of getting had a selected expertise. Sexuality is your relationship with intercourse and with your self. It’s in as a lot in how you progress, the way you carry your self and the way you work together with different individuals as it’s what bases you’ve hit or how many individuals you’ve made squishy noises with. A part of what makes Regé-Jean Web page horny in Bridgerton is the way in which that he makes one thing so simple as consuming from a spoon is a sensual act. It’s a literal efficiency and one that’s practiced, not inherent as a result of he ticked off sufficient notches in his bedpost and leveled up.
Does the truth that you’re a virgin restrict you? No. Your perspective about being a virgin does. So does your relationship with your self, your physique, your the whole lot. If you happen to can study to see your self as a horny, horny man and specific it, being a virgin turns into a quirk or probably even a value-add for individuals. And a part of understanding your worth means being keen to dismiss individuals who do have an issue together with your virginity as being a nasty match for you, moderately than seeing it as proof that there’s one thing unsuitable with you.
And sure, this will require making modifications to who you might be as an individual. Making an attempt to perform this with out truly altering simply signifies that you’re placing up a false entrance, a probably pleasing façade with no substance. These are the kinds of tips that pick-up artists have been attempting for many years and never solely do they not work, they really hinder you as a result of you’ll at all times know that it’s faux and be ready for the second that ladies will notice it.
And they’re going to. Like I mentioned: PUAs have been pulling that shit for many years and girls aren’t silly.
Now to make sure, there’s nothing unsuitable with not being the extra aggressive associate within the relationship, neither is there an issue with being drawn to ladies who’re extra aggressive or assertive than you. However even somebody who’s much less assertive has to truly put themselves out there. The (nonetheless) standard perception that every one a lady has to do is exist to be able to get dates and a spotlight relies out of not recognizing or understanding the quantity of effort that ladies put into being approachable. Between styling and presentation, attempting to sign curiosity with out being too apparent and infrequently straining their backs by attempting to hold on a dialog all by themselves with a man who by no means asks a single query about them, even ladies who take a extra “conventional” function within the strategy/approached dynamic are doing a metric fuckton of labor.
So if you wish to be approached moderately than doing the approaching, you’re going to must be keen to make related efforts… and even then you definately’re going to must take steps to attempt to discover the ladies who’re extra desirous about taking the lead. And that’s not going to occur in the event you don’t truly imagine in your personal price first; in the event you don’t see it in your self, folks merely aren’t going to be so motivated to do it for you. And even then, that’s not going to make you proof against rejection. As any girl who’s been approached can let you know, another person making the primary transfer doesn’t imply they received’t reject you. It simply means they determined to make the primary transfer.
So cease pondering of this by way of “passivity” and as a substitute begin confronting the underlying anxiousness. Passivity is the way in which you’re attempting to guard your self from what you worry. Deal with build up the substance, recognizing your individual worth and changing into extra in tune with your self as a sexual being. When you begin believing in that, the remainder is a matter of observe.
Good luck.
Expensive Dr. NerdLove,
I’ve an ex-girlfriend who I’ve since maintained a friendship with. Once we broke up, it was tenuous as break ups typically are, however we each noticed it coming and ended issues amicably not lengthy after.
After our preliminary breakup, we had an on-again off-again friends-with-benefits association, partially at her behest. It petered out after some time, not for any explicit cause, simply that we wanted area from one another.
Just lately we’ve gotten again in contact as mates once more, and it’s truly been fairly good. Nonetheless, I can’t lie, it will be good to broach the FWB factor once more. She’s mentioned a couple of issues right here and there that give me the impression she’d be sport for it too.
My downside is that I’m unsure if I’m simply on the lookout for these indicators trigger I need them to be there, or if it’s a mutual need. I like being mates along with her, and I genuinely don’t need to damage that.
Is there a mature approach I can carry up the topic along with her with out it inflicting any points?
I can take no for a solution, I simply don’t need her pondering I’m solely utilizing this friendship for intercourse.
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It’s good that you simply’re conscious that the indicators you’re seeing could be dickful pondering, FWBP. Motivated reasoning is a motherfucker and while you actually desire a explicit end result, it’s simple to show even essentially the most innocuous factor right into a “signal”. Equally, it’s simple to miss or dismiss indicators on the contrary or rationalize them away as a result of on the finish of the day, you don’t need it to be true. So while you suppose you’re selecting up on “hints” or frustratingly imprecise “indicators”, it may nicely be that you simply’re rounding issues as much as the end result you need merely since you actually need it.
So let’s break down how one can inform whether or not or not that is truly a factor, or in the event you’re simply actually sexy. And so step one is that I need to flip issues round and ask you a query: while you and your ex determined to strive being mates with advantages, how did it occur? In any case, you’ve already accomplished this as soon as earlier than, so inspecting previous performances can provide you an perception into future expectations. So what result in you two giving it a go?
Was there this lingering sexual pressure between the 2 of you that you would minimize with a knife? Have been the 2 of you continuously discovering moments the place you had been standing so shut that you would slip one, perhaps two however not three items of paper between your lips? Did you retain having situations the place a hug began to linger too lengthy, a pleasant kiss good day or goodbye gave the impression to be longer or extra intense than anticipated? Did pleasant dialog flip first to harmless flirting after which change into more and more much less harmless?
Or was it extra matter-of-fact? Was it a dialog the place somebody introduced up the likelihood and also you each agreed that it gave the impression of a good suggestion? Was it one thing that you simply all explicitly talked out, moderately than the previous chemistry persevering with to burn scorching and powerful, relationship-suitability be damned?
The purpose of this train isn’t “in the event you’re not having to carry yourselves again from leaping one another’s bones, don’t hassle”, it’s to match how issues proceeded again then with what you suppose it’s possible you’ll be seeing now. If there’s a major distinction between then and now, then the percentages are increased that this can be in your head (and pants) moderately than within the air. That isn’t a assure, come what may; in any case, that is could be your third go-round and also you’re not the identical individuals you had been the final time you determined to begin bangin’ once more. However it least provides you a metric so that you can measure the present relationship in opposition to.
It’s additionally good to match these hints to what you understand of your buddy. If she’s not the kind of one who’s keen to only put it on the market and was extra delicate or talked round it the primary time, then it’s extra probably that she could be hinting at issues this time. But when it was a extra open or extra apparent lead-up in comparison with now, then I’d put cash in your hornt up creativeness doing a little inventive enhancing.
The subsequent factor to contemplate is why you stopped being FWBs final time. You say that there wasn’t any explicit cause exterior of needing area, however what did that appear to be? Was the steam working out of your scorching and steamy hookups? Was it a case that the chemistry had at all times been there however the little frictions and irritations that occur in each relationship drive you aside? Did your dynamic fall again into the identical sample that you simply had while you had been courting, resulting in a second, much less important break-up? Did both of you begin having second ideas or really feel like perhaps this was conserving you two from shifting on and seeing different individuals? Or is it attainable that one or the each of you had been simply accomplished?
Simply as importantly: have issues modified between you in such a approach that will additionally imply that the rationale you stopped being FWBs not apply?
Very similar to when deciding whether or not or not you must attempt to get again collectively together with your ex, if the the reason why you stopped the “advantages” a part of the FWB haven’t modified, then proposing you decide it again up once more is probably going not going to work. Even when she is feeling it, you’re going to finish up proper again the place you had been the primary time – just a bit sooner this time round.
And the very last thing I’d ask is: are you hoping to revive the FWB along with her since you two have this simple chemistry, even in the event you don’t work in a extra dedicated relationship… or are you simply sexy and she or he’s handy?
Now I do know all of this seems like I’m attempting to steer you to giving up on the concept and I’m actually not. I’m asking you to essentially interrogate what you’re feeling and what you suppose you’re selecting up out of your buddy. A part of bettering your social calibration is being conscious of what’s truly there – even when it’s delicate – and what’s simply your mind attempting to make it occur in any respect prices. You’ll save your self an uncomfortable dialog if, after digging in, you notice that perhaps you’re simply hoping for one thing, moderately than selecting up on hints and indicators.
However the one that is aware of for positive whether or not or not she’d be into it’s your buddy. And presumably she is aware of you nicely sufficient to know that you simply’re truly her buddy in good religion, moderately than somebody who’s hanging round to attempt to get in her pants yet another time. If you happen to’ve made it by means of a break-up and an FWB part and also you’re nonetheless shut? It is best to be capable to say “hey, do you ever consider attempting being mates with advantages once more? I’d been serious about it lately, and I used to be questioning in the event you could be desirous about giving it one other strive,” with out worrying that she’s going to make unwarranted assumptions about your intent.
By the identical token, you must really feel comfy sufficient to say “It’s completely nice in the event you’re not ,” and hopefully she feels comfy and safe sufficient within the friendship to provide an sincere reply if she isn’t. And if it does shake out that she isn’t feeling it? It might be awkward for a scorching second, however you’ve come out of much more awkward moments earlier than and also you’re nonetheless good mates. Any awkwardness might be momentary and inconsequential, particularly in opposition to the backdrop of your present friendship.
So take a while to look at issues first. Then, in the event you’re genuinely positive that there’s some mutual curiosity, ask. Deal with being clear together with your intent and curiosity greater than looking for the magic solution to thread the needle; the extra you attempt to costume it as much as keep away from awkwardness, the extra you sacrifice understanding within the identify of not making it uncomfortable.
Good luck.
